Title: Trump Snubs US Workers at Mar-a-Lago
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-11-13
URL: https://youtu.be/ICmAUQl5FXA
Duration: 60:00

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[00:01] Hello. And if you're in the same time zone as us, good morning. You're watching the program with Ted R and John Kuryaku. It's Thursday, November 13, 2025. Thank you so much for joining us. Good morning, John. >> Good morning, Ted. How are you? >> I'm okay. A little tired, but uh no no good reason. Went to sleep at a reasonable time. Just a little sleepy. I don't know. It's it's the factor of fact of getting old. Uh, it's not like I was >> Go ahead. >> I'm sorry to interrupt you.

[00:31] >> Uh, it's one of these small world stories. I'm in Oxford, Ohio visiting my son and um, he asked me like a week ago, do you know Muhammad Farag? And I said I said, "Yeah, he was the head of the Egyptian intelligence service like 35 years ago. I met him in Cairo and he said, "Well, his son is my marketing professor and he wants to meet you." And I said, 'I remember him. He was a little kid when I was there. He's like seven or eight

[01:01] years old. >> So, we all went out to dinner last night and it it got late. That's why I'm so beat. >> Oh, well, at least you have a good reason. You know, partying in Oxford, Ohio could can go way past eight o'clock at night, so it's get pretty crazy there. Hunter Biden even couldn't handle it. Um, [laughter] at least I wasn't up all night reading the Epstein documents, which I suspect our president may have spent part of the evening doing, although he's probably already seen them all. >> Yeah, he probably has. I I just figured

[01:33] there were all kinds of people who were already going to do that, so I wasn't going to bother. >> Yeah. No, that's that's that's the way I look at it, too. Although sometimes, you know, what amazes me is when there's a huge data dump. Um, you know, it sounds it's almost like it's worth going through it yourself because stuff that I find interesting is often left on the cutting room floor uh when it ends up in the New York Times or the New York Post or wherever. >> So, >> that's exactly right. >> All right. So, obviously we'll talk about Epstein uh that Congress is uh in

[02:06] fullfledged uh chaos over this. uh who's to blame, who's the who are the real perves, etc. Um over in Israel, worth talking about is the is the violence in the West Bank. Um the president Herzach uh condemned it, I guess, better decades late than never. Um and definitely the lead topic that we put in the thumbnail is just because I don't miss any chance to use a sombrero uh in in in graphics. uh Trump uh the Trump organization has

[02:37] hired uh almost 600 foreign workers uh at Mara Lago golf clubs, Virginia estates um you know and so we got to talk about that. uh you know is this a reflection of the fact that it's actually really hard to find American workers and even someone like Donald Trump whose politics go run counter to this are like this or does he just do do is this just another case of the rich and powerful doing what they want and they what they say to us is not necessarily how they live their lives.

[03:07] Um John what do you want to talk what do you want to start with? You know, I think we probably should talk about the situation with the Epstein files because it's becoming unwieldy. It's it's it's spinning out of control. So, we know thanks to these new revelations that that Epstein and Galain Maxwell were emailing each other back and forth saying that that Trump knew that these girls were underage. He never did anything with any of them, but he

[03:39] knew that this abuse was going on and didn't speak out against it. Um, that's very unfortunate, but it's not a crime. As as awful as it is, it's not a crime. They called Trump a scumbag, which is no big deal either. My bottom line here is this didn't make me love Donald Trump anymore. Um, I've never loved Donald Trump, but this didn't change my mind. But it

[04:11] wasn't, it didn't make things worse for Trump. There's no they don't allege any crime, even in their private, you know, email communications. So, here's here's the way things stand in the House. The House does have the 218 votes for um the discharge petition. It's out of Mike Johnson's hands. He has to allow it to come to the floor because they went over his head with the 218. >> But that's not necessarily going to change anything, Ted, because then the

[04:43] Senate would have to to vote to release the Epstein files, and then Donald Trump would have to sign it, and he's not going to sign anything that's going to embarrass him or tarnish his his image or his reputation. So this is all another Washington tempest in a teapot that nothing is going to come of. >> So So basically what's come to be known, correct me if I'm wrong about this, but what's come to be known as the Epstein files, there's really two batches, right? So what has just come to light as

[05:15] a result of the discharge petition is what uh was under the control of the House Oversight Committee. But that's not the same ex it's not a duplicate set of the documents currently being held by the Department of Justice. Right. >> No, >> those documents. >> That's correct. This is a different set. >> So potentially >> this is a different set. >> So potentially there's other knowledge either exculpatory or incriminating or neither that are that are there. And

[05:45] obviously Donald Trump's not like even the primary target here. Uh I think everyone sort of you know you end up with a witch hunt in a situation like this. >> Um ethically yeah I mean you know it is really interesting to put yourself in that position and I kind of feel like we all at some point I mean everybody learns about lawb breakaking at some point on the part of other people around us whether it's co-workers or friends or whatever and there's the question of whether you should step forward and then

[06:16] whether you could step forward. I mean, let's just say for the sake of argument that Trump decided he that he did know about what Epstein was up to and he wanted to do something about it. What would he do really? >> Yeah. What would he do? >> I mean, who would he call? >> I'm just not sure where this is taking. >> We're not We don't live in East Germany. I mean, you know, it's not like you can call the Stazzi and they drag off the pervert into the middle of the night. Um, you know, nothing happens, right? I

[06:47] mean, you know, you just yesterday you mentioned a couple of cases where someone called the cops and no one gave a [ __ ] And that's sort of normally what happens, right? I mean, the cops are It's like, well, I'm aware of a crime. Okay, what evidence do you have? Well, someone told me that's hearsay. We can't we can't build a case on hearsay. Oh, well, I have it on good authority. Okay, we can't build a case on that either. I don't blame the prosecutors. I don't blame the cops. There's nothing really that you can do in a situation like that. I mean, I had a I drove a taxi in

[07:18] the 80s and my one of my fellow taxi drivers, you know, bragged about raping a drunk woman in the backseat of his cab. Okay, we all thought he was a turd and we all hated him, but what could we do? And he could have been making the whole thing up. And what do we do? Call the NYPD and say this guy raped, you know, says that he raped a Okay. Well, saying that you raped someone isn't a crime. It just makes you a weirdass liar. Um, so there there's just sort of I mean, it's that whole I think people

[07:51] there's an assumption there that if you see something, say something will result in something and I don't think that's a valid assumption at all. >> Yeah. I I have to agree. I have to agree. It's the It's the society that we live in now, you know. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, anyway, I I think nothing I think nothing serious is going to come of this uh Jeffrey Epstein thing. Now, the Washington Post today has a piece um

[08:21] in which they say that this is the only issue that that seriously and solidly divides Donald Trump from his base. It's it remember it was it was the MAGA base that was the first political faction that we have in the country to to shout for release of all the documents. It was a campaign issue and it's one of these issues that where it was the street that dragged Trump to the um to the the policy position.

[08:52] >> That's the only reason why he ran on on a a platform of releasing all of the Epstein files. and then he changed his mind and people don't trust the reason for changing his mind. >> No, I mean I guess I mean look it's entirely possible that his assessment is simply like you know not I personally didn't do anything but I was around bad things that happened. It smears me. It tarnishes me. It smears and tarnishes people who I have a vested interest in

[09:23] or who I used to be or am still associated with. I mean, there's a lot I mean, I think I think people have been speculating about this in a very simplistic way. Um, when it's anything but simplistic. I mean, I can come up with a a myriad of possible motivations for Trump just preferring to put this behind him. Not least of which is politically, you're the president of the United States. You have an ambitious political agenda clearly whether you agree with that agenda or not and you

[09:55] don't want to spend the next three, six months uh or whatever just talking about this old [ __ ] that you didn't have much to do with but you know your old party buddy was involved in. >> Yeah, that's right. Um, I want to thank Double D for the uh the $4.99. Double D says, "I hope people realize that there will be foreign names on the Epstein list. I think some Arab higher-ups." There there are foreign

[10:26] names on the Epstein list, and I think there are probably going to be lots more foreign names on the Epstein list as as they continue to leak out. But we we've known for a very long time that former Israeli Prime Minister Ahoud Barack was a regular visitor to Epstein Island. We know from the release yesterday that Barack's chief of staff was another one who was a regular at the island and there was there was some evidence yesterday of of uh money being exchanged too. So yeah, I agree with you. There

[10:56] are there are foreign names on there. I spoke with Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna break a little news right now. So, I spoke yesterday with a woman who used to be the the chief of business development for Giuliani Partners. She's suing Rudy Giuliani for sexual assault. And she told me that she has thousands of pages of documents that were

[11:27] emails between Giuliani and Epstein, and she's just waiting. She's offered them up to different news organizations. She offered them up to the investigating committees on Capitol Hill. Nobody cares. And so she still has them. But she said that there is another British prince besides Prince Andrew who is implicated who was also at the island and uh and there are other um former heads of state

[11:57] whose names have not been made public. This is a a tough question and and John I I won't be at all offended if you don't answer it, but did you find her credible? [snorts] That's a good that's a good question. Um, >> you don't have to answer. >> I find her Yeah. Yeah. No, no. I I I find her credible in that I believe at least I believe that she believes the information is is correct,

[12:28] >> right? She's very difficult to get along with. >> Um, and I think it's because she's been traumatized. >> Yeah, >> that's Yeah, that's >> She has tough >> just crippling PTSD. It's sometimes >> Yeah, she's she's very tough to carry on a conversation with. >> [snorts] >> Um, [laughter] >> there's a funny conversation in the chat about whether or not we are gay. Um, I

[12:58] had a I had a Yeah, I used to be I used to have a a radio show in LA and we had an open mic day and uh the one of the questions that would always come up my voice was higher then. It's not exactly low and baritone but uh you know it was always like is are you gay? And you know, I never answered the question because to deny it is to be like the apostle who denies Christ, you know, like before the before the [ __ ] crows three times, you know, it's like sort of like saying that there's something wrong

[13:29] with that to quote Seinfeld, >> right? Not that there's anything wrong with that. >> No, no, not at all. >> No, I'm not I'm not gay. Um I think my two wives and five children would likely confirm that. Uh, but I I don't care if anybody's gay. It's none of my >> I don't I I give no shits. Um, where people put their junk. Uh, Mr. B. Malarkey uh 9219 says that Drop Site News is publishing all of it. I suspect

[13:59] uh they're referring to the to all of the Trump uh all of the uh all of the Trump uh I mean all of the Epstein files. I I don't know what we're talking about here. No, maybe maybe I should maybe I should start uh um reading Deadrop. I I've I've boycotted them because they all came from most of them came >> or drop site, right? Drop site. >> Uh I I boycotted them because most of them

[14:32] had come from the uh Intercept and I just freaking hate I hated everybody at the Intercept with what I think is very good reason. Scale is not bad, I guess. Grim is good. >> Yeah. Scill skill is however the most boring writer in the English language. Um I I I tried to read his drone book which you know I was obsessed with drones. >> Oh yeah. >> And it was just like oh my god like dude like it would be it would have been less boring. I mean this was years and years ago but if Chat GPT wrote the book it would be a major improvement.

[15:06] >> Yeah. But they do have some important, you know, breaking news every every >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's I mean, it their origin story is just very, you know, flawed. The Pierre Odar influence is toxic and >> Yeah. >> I don't understand. Oh, by the way, John, I I have to thank you for sending me that email that you got from the LA Times. Oh my god, >> how [ __ ] funny is that? >> I knew you'd like it. >> Oh my god. So, so John, do you want to

[21:51] a scumbag." Okay, big deal. It's It's not It's not news. And the bottom line is even they are not accusing Trump of having done anything with these girls. Yes, he should have said something's going on at this island. All these girls are underage. Of course, he should have said something, but he didn't do anything to them. >> But also, it's not new, right? I mean, because there's the there's the pretty uh well-known quote where Trump said like, "Oh, you know, we have a lot in

[22:21] common. We both really love beautiful women, but uh you know, difference is that uh you know, Jeffrey likes them really really young." I mean, >> come on. We know that he knew. >> Yeah, of course. >> When you hang out with a guy as much as he did, you you know, you you know, you gossip, you you know, I mean, Bill and Hillary Clinton knew. Everybody knew. They had to have known. And I guess the question is to what extent is it anybody's business? I mean, hell, he'd already been prosecuted and let off the

[22:53] hook by the authorities. And and that's, you know, that's something that we ignore here. I mean, I don't want to sound like an apologist for the president, but I've got to say, if I were him, if anybody really put him on the spot, he could say, "Listen, the authorities had their chance and they decided not to give a [ __ ] What do you want me as an individual private citizen to do about it? >> Exactly right. Exactly right. >> I mean, >> hey, um, if you don't mind, before we move on to the next, uh, >> there are a couple of things I wanted to

[23:24] raise uh, from the papers today. So, Reverend Jesse Jackson, everybody of course [clears throat] remembers Jesse Jackson. I never particularly cared for him, [snorts] but um but he was diagnosed back in 2015 with Parkinson's disease and he said at the time that that this was a disease that had failed his father as well. It runs in families. My dad had it. Um lots of my relatives had it and um he so he he was diagnosed with it in

[23:55] 2015. Two years ago, he was diagnosed with something more severe, something called supra nuclear paly, which is like Parkinson's on steroids. And he was hospitalized in Chicago yesterday. He's 84 years old. His prognosis is not good. There's no cure for this. And you end up if you don't fall and hit your head, which is how my dad died, you end up choking to death uh because you lose the ability to swallow >> or um or from pneumonia just because

[24:28] your saliva collects in your lungs and you you can't get relief from it. So I I fear Jesse Jackson is uh not going to be around very much longer. That was one thing. The other thing, and it's less important, but >> by the way, it is important before we let Jesse go. Um, you know, it's important to comment on, you know, the extent of his political achievement. Uh, when he ran for president in ' 84 and 1988, >> 88. That's right. >> He carried a bunch of states in the primary >> as majority white states

[25:00] >> as an insurgent black uh left-wing progressive candidate. I would argue to the left of Bernie Sanders. >> I would >> and and and like and and you know and an an unapologetic black politician uh preacher um you know activist and you know like you I I kind of am a little bit reserved about him but I think there's no And by the way full disclosure I did vote for him in the primary in 1988. Um, so I I do, you

[25:30] know, I mean you you gotta I mean and also he was there like he's in that famous photo of MLK dying on the balcony. He's one of the guys. I mean he was right there when he when he was murdered. Kretta Scott King always kept him at arms distance because that day that MLK was assassinated with the famous picture where everybody's pointing at the room um as soon as he was shot Jess Jesse Jackson was about 15

[26:02] feet away from him when he was shot. >> Yeah. When he was shot and he went down, Jackson went over to him, [snorts] put his hands in in Martin Luther King's blood and then smeared the blood on his shirt >> to make it look like he had been like right there when it happened. The next day he went on Good Morning America and he was still wearing the shirt. >> Oh, so he was trying to be Jackie Kennedy except she came about her uh gristle honestly. >> Yeah. and Ketta King never forgave him

[26:34] for that. >> If that's true, that's one of the most disgusting things or and bizarre. Fasmataz is asking if Jesse Jackson was the FBI informant. Of course, uh you know, obviously King was spied upon ruthlessly by the FBI for many years. Um is that I don't I don't know the answer to that question. >> I've read that it was not Jackson. It was the older guy uh from the from the Southern What was it called?

[27:04] The Southern Baptist, the Southern Christian Leadership, whatever. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Conference. >> Yeah. >> Huh. Anyway. All right. Uh, by the way, uh, this is so funny. I'm gonna put you on the spot. This is mean and and you know, we'll we can take him off if this is a problem. But Elon Musk did arguably more for humanity than even you. If you don't like him, can you at least make your best case for it?

[27:36] >> For Elon Musk? No, I'm not going to make it. >> No, for for not I guess for not being for for not for disliking Elon Musk. >> Yeah, I think he's been bad for the country. Nobody's worth a trillion dollars. Nobody. You can't possibly do anything >> that is worth a trillion dollars. Yeah, >> I mean he's a super interesting dude and uh you know I can make the case for it or against him, but I will say anybody who designs a car that doesn't have exterior door handles that allows the firefighters to break you out in case

[28:08] your car catches on fire is kind of like missing a screw. >> I know, right? That's true. >> All right. Well, you had something else. Oh. Oh, Al Sharpton. it according to USX A-Rod was the in was an informant. Maybe not the informant. I believe that. Oh yeah. Yeah. Lisa Moika says Snick. Yeah. The Southern What is it? The Southern something. Oh god. Uh anyway,

[28:40] >> leadership conference. Southern. Is that right? >> Something like that. >> Oh my. Blake, thank you. Thank you for $50. Here's some cash for tolerating my annoying commentary. Obviously, you guys aren't gay. [laughter] Thank you. I was a conscientious objector from the Army Infantry in 2009, and John is my personal favorite American hero. Thank you so much. You are a conscientious objector. I read an absolutely wonderful book, long out of

[29:10] print. A a conscientious objector with whom I I um was friendly. He's since passed away. He sent me a book that was published in like 1972, maybe 1973 from, you know, his personal collection. And it was it was just a series of interviews with with conscientious objectors. Some of them had gone to Canada, others had been arrested and imprisoned. And the stories they told were were

[29:41] harrowing. I think it was even in many cases more dangerous, more physically, personally dangerous for them to have been a a conscientious objector and then be sent to an American prison and not not some clubfed like a a real honest to god prison and then have to deal with like I remember one one of the interviews was a guy talking about fending off um what they called in prison the sisters. It was the the guys who were situationally gay. They would

[30:11] just rape the guys. Whatever new guy happened to be in, they were either gonna beat you to a pulp or they were gonna rape you. One or the other. >> Good times. >> So, every day it was another fight for this poor guy. So, being a conscientious objector is a very brave thing to do. >> I had a roommate uh not a roommate, a classmate in uh at Colombia. Uh it was 1981 and uh DRA Carter had just started draft registration and Reagan had just become president. And like me, um, he refused to sign, uh, to enlist to sign

[30:43] up for draft registration. But unlike me, they came and found him. And unlike me, when they came and found him, uh, he refused. So they sent him to federal prison for five years. Um, and uh, that that's the penalty still. >> Um, and they take and they and they take away your financial aid if you're in college, too. Um, so I mean it's it's and I was like and I was just like I was impressed because there was no publicity. Nobody cared. It was never in the newspaper. And he and he didn't

[31:15] care. It was just like I'm just not signing. I'm just not doing it. I just I won't. You can't make me and I'm not gonna I think he also faced a $10,000 fine, too. >> Wow. >> Which was a lot of money at the time for an 18-year-old kid. >> Yeah, that's that's a lot of money. And in those days, >> psychonaut2, thank you for the dollar. As an autistic guy, I see the flaws in myself and Elon magnified into billionaire level. >> Yeah. Fo dollar. Uh, thank you for the

[31:46] dollar. Did you discuss politics with the mob in prison, John? Uh, what were their what were their >> politics? A lot. I I had dinner with two with two of them in uh in Philadelphia over the weekend. Um, they love love love Donald Trump. They love him, you know, and I think it's because being a real estate developer in New York of all places, you're going to have daily contact with the mob. They control

[32:19] everything. They control the, you know, the concrete union, the union that makes windows, the steel workers union. They control everything. And you've got to deal with these people if you want to build buildings on your building. >> That's why Trump had those connections. He had to. >> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So, um, yeah, they love Trump. There's no two ways about it. >> Marvel 455. Thanks for the $4.99. Guys, I didn't know this. The president of Israel can pardon the prime minister

[32:50] Netanyahu, but only if the request letter came from the victim or their family. That's a little bit reminiscent of Sharia law where the victim or the close relative of the victim can uh either mitigate or forgive uh your uh your sin, your crime. >> Yes. Yes. Exactly. And Trump, at first Trump just asked the president of Israel. Now he's actually written a formal letter asking again the president of Israel to

[33:22] uh to pardon Netanyahu. I think this is something that he promised Netanyahu he would do uh during uh during >> but he doesn't have standing. Trump doesn't have standing, right? >> No, zero standing. Nothing. Nothing standing. >> They would have to be a victim of of Netanyahu's corruption. >> And and the Israeli people are the victims of Netanyahu's corruption. >> Right. So any Israeli taxpayer could probably have standing. >> I don't remember who I was talking to earlier this week. It may have been on my other podcast. we were talking about,

[33:52] you know, in in the five or six weeks before the October 7th attacks, um Netanyahu's government was on the verge of collapsing and um there were people in the streets. Remember, they even had to shut Bengurian airport because there were such massive demonstrations, you know, people couldn't get to and from the airport, they just shut it down. And then October 7th happened and it unified the whole country, at least briefly. And uh Netanyahu is still around. I I have been saying in podcasts that Netanyahu

[34:25] has never ever received more than 27% of the vote in any of his campaigns for prime minister. He's the longest serving prime minister in Israeli history. And somebody challenged me that the other day and said that's ridiculous. Israel loves Netanyahu. I went back and looked at it and I was wrong. It was not 27%. It was 24.3%. was the most Netanyahu has ever received. >> That's crazy. >> So to be to to be anti-semitic if you

[34:57] criticize Netanyahu is a red herring >> that is being foisted at us. >> Well then yeah at that rate the people of Israel are all anti-semites. Uh $2 contribution from real real. Thank you. Gentlemen, please share your thoughts on Epstein helping to uh helping to sell Israeli mass surveillance software to the Ivory Coast in 2014. >> He was much more than just an investment banker. Yeah. >> Yeah. I >> I would say he was a financial fixer

[35:29] would be the best way to describe >> I would I would agree. I like that. Um, and I would say I would reiterate my earlier position that Netanyahu was an access agent for the Mossad. I mean, that's what it everything points to that. Everything that he worked for Mossad, you know, I saw what's that idiot's name? Um Andrew Bamante the other day on some interview and he's looking right in the camera and he's saying definitively

[36:00] uh Jeffrey Epstein was uh working for the FBI. He's clearly an FBI uh informant, FBI agent. It's like you don't even know what you're talking about FBI. The FBI is not going to run a pedophile against former presidents and world leaders. The Israelis certainly will. >> The Israelis certainly will because then you can get them in compromising positions. You can use blackmail, which we don't use, but the Israelis use. And

[36:30] um and get them to give you information on, you know, how the policy sausage is made. They're all connected. FBI. John, while we're talking about Israel, and I don't think this is worth a a lengthy discussion, but uh it's is it worth noting that uh the president of Israel, who could uh as we noted, uh forgive Netanyahu, um pardon Netanyahu, uh he's coming out, he's you know, the president of Israel is supposed to be like the moral center. Yeah. Of the

[37:01] nation >> and and he he's not really powerful. He's more of a figurehead. He's like, you know, like kind of like the king of Thailand, right? Yes. Um is has has a role like that. Um and anyway, so Herzach um stepped forward and and condemned the settler colonists in the West Bank for you know, running rampant um you know, where they've been uh you know, attacking Palestinians in their own land and stealing their land and trashing and vandalizing and and committing arson and and rape and murder

[37:33] too and robbery. uh you know basically they're they they've been completely operating with impunity. The IDF just sort of stands stands by and smirks and watches the whole thing either directly with their arms crossed or from drones, right? Like watching the whole thing. They have drones everywhere on the West Bank. Um I guess the question here is um and finally there were a few arrests that's like almost never happens. Um how important is this? I mean, it seems like

[38:05] uh the war in Gaza, the you know, the the the world's attention is off that in light of the sort of tentative ceasefire. Um and now people are starting to pay more attention to the West Bank. But um the West Bank has been a hot zone for years that no one was paying attention to. I'm just like trying to figure out the symbolism of this. Does it resonate? It doesn't res really resonate internationally, but does it resonate domestically? Yeah, I I would agree with that. Yeah, I would agree with that. Hey, a couple of

[38:37] other things, too, in the news. I I meant to I meant to text this to you last night. Did you happen to see this announcement out of the State Department that we're not going to allow fat people to apply for immigrant visas anymore? [laughter] >> Yes. Or tourist visas, I think. >> Or tourist visas. So, fat people can't come to the United States. Period. and immigrants. >> No fatties allowed. >> No fatties allowed into the fattest country in the world. [laughter] And >> so sad >> today there was a report that No, it's

[39:08] it's beyond that. So yes, no fatties are allowed to apply for visas, but you're not allowed to apply for an immigrant visa now if you have cancer or diabetes. >> Well, we did have a we did have a long uh no AIDS policy for tourist visas, right? John, I had to I I was meaning to ask you this question. So visas are bilateral, aren't they? >> Oh, yeah, they're bilateral. >> So, doesn't that mean that like now other countries have to ban fat

[39:39] Americans? >> Yeah, they they are. Um, yeah, they they could absolutely do that. Normally, what that means, the agreement that we have with virtually every other country in the world, it's called the reciprocity agreement, the visa reciprocity agreement. So normally what it means is we'll let the other country set the price of the visa. >> If the visa is free for Americans, then our visas are going to be free for you guys. Uh the Indians charge us a hundred

[40:11] bucks. So we charge the Indians 100. The Chileans charge us 100, we charge the Chileans 100, >> which made me so mad when I landed in Chile. >> Although sometimes they deny that. Uh sometimes like other country like uh when I went to Russia once the visa was $400 and and the Russians said no no no that's not us that's the Americans doing that to us because the Americans were trying to keep Russian mobsters from coming to the US in the 90s. >> Oh yeah $400 is going to deter them. [laughter] >> It's great

[40:42] >> very poor mobsters. But but in this case certainly any country can decide if the Americans aren't gonna if the Americans are going to make you get on a scale when you go to the US embassy to apply for a visa then we're going to make you get on scale. >> Yes. Absolutely. >> So I mean that's I mean seriously that's going to put a major crimp on tourism and like nobody even knows what the standards are. I think even if like even if you're skinny I mean come on if I mean I'm not the thinnest guy in the world. Uh I've lost some weight lately.

[41:13] I'm happy about it. But like, you know, but seriously, you know, why wouldn't everybody just say, "Fuck you. [ __ ] the United States. Go [ __ ] yourselves and your cheese curd in Wisconsin and and your fat [ __ ] president who obviously doesn't own a mirror." And like, [ __ ] you guys. [ __ ] you all. I mean, isn't isn't that kind of like that's what this is asking for? >> It's coming. It's coming already. Spain and France are coming right up to the United States in the number of tourists

[41:44] uh every year. And you know, every year we're number one. Always. We're always number one. And we're not going to be number one anymore. Hey, I wanted to add one other little micro news piece. Um I saw this yesterday uh in one of the local papers here in southern Ohio. I didn't realize yesterday the US Mint um made the last penny. >> The penny is no more.

[42:15] >> It is no more. >> Yep. as a former as a as a collector of not just political buttons but also coinage. Um I understand this um you know coins I mean like for example uh I remember when France went through this um when they got rid of this when they still had Franks and the Santine was you know 1/100th of a frank a frank was roughly uh 1/5if of a dollar and the one Santine coin was literally so was worth one of a US cent and it was cute little

[42:46] tin coin um >> and at a certain and I was kind of like why do they still have these and of course This was in the I believe in the late 70s or early 80s France abolished the Santine coin and the five Santine coin became effectively the penny the smallest and uh I don't know if five Sim coins or five cent coins still even exist in France they might be down to the 10 euro cent coin um but it is it does seem it's a sign of inflation right

[43:18] I mean it costs 4 cents to make a penny Um they're they're a pain. I I understand the the case against them, but you know, we've had coinage that we've abolished over the years. There used to be three cent coins uh in the in the 19th century. Um yes, the $2 bill comes and goes. >> Uh you know, there was fractional currency. I mean, I don't know. I mean, >> how how resonant is the symbolism for you? >> Yeah. You know, actually the symbolism

[43:50] is more important to me today than I than I imagined it would be. I kind of feel bad about the penny. It's been around forever and now we I mean, listen, >> it also eliminates Abe Lincoln from our coinage. >> Yeah, it does. That it does. And this new Trump coin that that the just that the Treasury Department approved. Did you see this? it. It's the first coin ever by [snorts] the US Mint to have the person's face on both sides >> and to be of a living person.

[44:21] >> Yeah. And to be of a living person. >> I mean, it's a commemorative coin. It's not like a a mass circulation coin, but still. >> Um, Soden 2324. Sorry we uh missed your initial question. And we have two questions in the feed. Thank you so much for the 1999. >> Um, thank you. What what are our thoughts on Candace Owens and would you appear on her show? And why am I warming up to Marjorie Taylor Green? She might get an invite in invite to Thanksgiving. Well, I'm definitely warming up to Marjorie Taylor Green as well. >> I am too. I said that this week on

[44:52] another podcast. I can't believe I'm finding myself in in agreement with Marjorie Taylor Green, you know, more often than not. >> Would you go on Candace Owens's show? I would. >> Um, six months ago, I would have said absolutely not. And today I say absolutely yes. >> How come? Why? Why the difference? >> I don't know. It's like she became sane all of a sudden. Like overnight she stopped talking about the lizard people and the you know aliens and all this stuff. And

[45:23] I don't know. >> I'll pretty much go on with anyone especially if they have a decent sized audience. um unless they prove themselves to be like untrustworthy or they're going to sandbag me or want to talk about something that they said that they didn't want to talk about or that I didn't want to talk about. >> I mean, generally, I just show up and I'm willing to talk about anything, >> but like for example, I won't go on with Hannity because uh I was invited to go talk about a controversial Gary Trudeau cartoon and uh and then I was like, "Okay, so this is about Gary Trudeau,

[45:53] not about me." Yes, you're sure 100%. And of course immediately when I got there, he turned it against me. I was ready because I know what a lying sack of dung he is, but I'm not, you know, I'm not but I mean I'll never go back because it's just like, you know, that kind of behavior can't be rewarded. >> That's exactly right. >> Um al uh so 2324 thank you additionally for $9.99. Um John, will RFK be invited to the Schllothbergs for Thanksgiving?

[46:24] Wonder what that dinner conversation will be about. Will it be cordial or will the knives be out? >> Sorry again for missing your first question in the scroll here. >> It's a little easier to to not miss these once Robbie's back on Monday. >> The the knives are already out. Jack Schlober, the the grandson of uh President John F. Kennedy uh announced his candidacy for Congress yesterday in the Upper East Side and upper west side district currently represented by Jerry Nadler. Jerry Nadler said, "I'm too old.

[46:57] I'm in my 70s. It's time for a younger generation." And he decided to retire. So kudos to him. Schllothburg jumped in. There are two or three other people running like a city council member and some state representative. Schlesber's going to win that seat. Um but he has come out very strongly against his depending on how you look at it first cousin once removed or or second cousin RFK Jr. strongly against

[47:28] him and um and I read yesterday it was actually the family member that that wrote the press release saying we condemn RFK Jr. So, uh, yeah, I think I think there's going to be another Kennedy in Congress next year. I read that that since 1946, we've gone only two years without a Kennedy in an elected or appointed office. >> Since 46. Yeah.

[47:58] >> Yeah. >> Um, Phil 78 wants to know what we do when we're not deprogramming, deadropping, or writing. I guess asking about hobbies like collecting. [snorts] >> Well, I'll tell you, speaking of collecting, my son and I day after tomorrow are going to go to his favorite antique gallery in uh Indianapolis. Indianapolis isn't far, two, three hours from here. So, we went last year and we bought every bit of Lincoln memorabilia we could find. There was one that I left

[48:29] behind and it was a hunk of wood from the gallows where the conspirators were hanged. >> No way. That's so cool. >> And >> that's like a that's like a Jesus relic. It's like a true cross. >> And it had the provenance with it and it had a what do you call it? An authentication. >> But it was $600 and I didn't want to spend $600. And I'm hoping I'm hoping it's still there. >> Sometimes I I I will leave a note with

[49:00] someone and just say like, "Hey, you know, no offense, I can't really afford $600, but if you, you know, ever see your way clear to maybe letting it go for less. Please give me a call." By the way, there's great there's a two really great antique uh barn kind of places on Interstate uh 70 uh near Springfield, Ohio, not far at all from where you are. >> No. Um, fantastic. And also there's some like there's a little I forget the name of the town. It's not Cedarville, but

[49:31] which is a great town, but there's a town near you that has a lot of antique um uh stores. >> I'll check it out on 76 uh right outside of um of Akran. There are a couple of really terrific antique malls right Yeah. Right on 76. >> Yeah, I've I've done that. That's on my uh on my way on my That's on my way to my college. Drop off and pick up also. Totally. I know that drive very very well. It's a bleak part of the state.

[50:03] It's a bleak state. >> Except for Cincinnati, which I love. >> Gotta love corn. >> Yeah, you do. So, what do we do? I mean, well, I mean, I I like to bike and I reading is number is my number one thing as you know. I I I I I I'm read a lot of non-fiction. [snorts] >> Movies. >> Yeah, I love movies. >> I watch a lot of movies. >> Yeah, movies and movies and uh and TV and stuff like that. >> Hey, and now did I did I tell you about the letter I got from the Screen Actors

[50:33] Guild? >> Yeah, go ahead. Say that. Yeah, I don't know if we did we talked about it here or not. So, they sent me a letter saying that they wanted to confirm my mailing address because um they want to ship me the box of all the DVDs of all the Screen Actors Guild Award nominees so that I can vote for the Screen Actors Guild. Very exciting. [laughter] I've never been able to do something like that before. >> Sen is claiming that we didn't really answer his questions about Candace Owens

[51:04] and stuff. I don't know. Yeah, I would I would definitely go on Candace Owens. Definitely. She's got a a a wide reach. She's not as crazy as she used to be. Um I still disagree with a lot of what she has to say, but yeah, I would definitely go on Candace. >> And oh, and and in terms of the Schllothbergs, I think, you know, I don't know [laughter] if that can't answer a question. I don't know the answer to >> Patrick Crabtree. Uh what gallery is it? I live only an hour from Indie. I don't know. And I'm going to find out. I'll

[51:34] ask him the name. >> Yeah, I'm having I'm having recall. It's driving me crazy about the antique town in Southwest Ohio, but it's like it's a town where basically there's nothing but antique stores. Um if you just >> Oh, I would definitely do that. >> Crack it. You'll find it. Um you kind of have to choose the day of the right day of the week. Like Saturday is probably the day to go. Um but okay, so let's talk about um these foreign workers. So I have to say uh if we had Robbie here, we'd pop him on. he'd go on a mad tear

[52:04] about this. Yeah. >> Um the Trump Organization uh is ask requested 184 H2A and H2B visas for Mara Lago, the golf the golf clubs and the Virginia estates and so on for farm hands, housekeepers, servers. That's up from 121 in 2021. Total of 566 so far. He went on Fox and the president went on Fox and just basically said he can't find anyone any good anyone good

[52:36] to work. MTG M Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Marjorie Taylor Green says this is [ __ ] and it's wrong >> and I agree with her on that. Um I mean look if you pay people enough money you know you can get them to do any job and anybody who doubts that I will point out the fact that you could hire Americans to do asbestous removal. You can find Americans to mine coal. You can find Americans to process to work in nuclear power plants. Okay? So, Americans will

[53:07] do people Americans will work uh collecting suck up carbon monoxide, collecting tolls uh on highways. Americans will do all sorts of [ __ ] that is very unpleasant, but you have to pay them. And um and I I don't know. I mean it's like is it is it really possible >> when employers say you know it's like with someone you have someone a friend who says oh I can't sell my house I'm like well you can't sell your house for what you want for it I bet if you sold it for 10 bucks you could sell your house right so similarly when an

[53:38] employer says I can't hire anyone well you mean you can't hire anyone for what you want to pay but mean that means you're not really in the market you have you're off the market um you need to hit the market and if you can't afford to pay people it means you can't really afford to be in business or you can't afford to hire these employees. I mean, that's my take, but is but you know, is I want to be fair. Is it possible that really truly there's just there's really no Americans to do these jobs and you have to find foreigners when you go on a

[54:08] cruise or you go stay at a resort in Florida or anything like that. Everybody's always from some foreign country, right? They're always on one of these like H2A visas. Um >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. I mean, but I but but I mean, but the hypocrisy here is really rank considering that this is the most, you know, anti-immigration president we've ever had. Yeah. But this is not new. This was an issue in the 2016 presidential election that he does this every year, not hiring

[54:41] Americans, looking for cheaper foreign uh workers. Every year the Trump organization would would bring these people. You know, when when I was married, we used to go to um go to the Outer Banks of North Carolina every summer. We love it there. It's clean. It's green. Beautiful. We never encountered an American lifeguard. Uh we encountered almost no American store clerks, shop clerks, waiters, and

[55:12] waitresses. They were all from Bulgaria, Romania, Moldiva, all over Eastern Europe. And it's because they work on the cheap in the state and the working conditions blow, right? Like like on a like on a ship, they work ridiculous hours. >> Yeah. And the And they're all living in group houses. So you put eight or 10, 12 people to a house, >> pay them the minimum wage, and then send them back at the end of the season. >> They're disposable. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm

[55:42] I'm so against this. I mean, as long as there's one undermployed or unemployed American, this should just not be permitted. >> Agreed. >> Um Agreed. You know, I mean, I don't it it just makes no sense to me. Like, you know, we have people who are literally I mean, we have we have people who graduated from, you know, from Harvard Law who can't find a job. We have people who went, you know, who went to MIT, uh, who are like, "Oh, you're you're you're coding you're you're 40. You're a coding

[56:13] dinosaur." And they can't get a job. I mean, it's outrageous. And I mean, I guess I mean, but I guess um Trump's base isn't going to hold him accountable for this, right? >> I don't know, man. They they let him get away with so much as it is. I'm not I'm not sure that they that they will let him get away with it. >> Phil is uh says, "Can we agree that anti-immigration is actually progressive? Importing unlimited foreigners destroys culture, which I

[56:44] think is more of a uh that's more of a right-wing concern. Not that it shouldn't be a left-wing concern, but I think just it is destroys supply and increases demand all while reducing access to needs." Look, I agree with that. I've been against this kind of unfettered uh importing foreign workers is is something I've been opposed to. I mean, I'm on the record for favoring a border wall back in the 1990s. So, yeah, I agree. >> Yeah. >> Um Fo, thanks for the buck. Richard

[57:15] Marines officers are American while the crew are all Southeast Asians. >> That's a good point, too. Yeah, that's a good point, too. I mean, although I do think we should have as many fat tourists as want to come to the [laughter] United States as possible. I It's very [ __ ] up. I mean, and and seriously, do you think Trump doesn't know that he's overweight? >> I think that he probably deep down believes that he is overweight, but thinks that nobody can notice. Nobody

[57:45] has has picked up on it yet. >> [laughter] >> Like you never really you never really realize how fat you are. >> I really I mean >> so >> I totally think I'm fat as [ __ ] I look at the mirror I'm like oh my god what's with this waddle? >> This this is new just in the last like 12 months. I don't know where the hell this came from >> really. I don't even see anything. At least you have a chin. I'm like I have like Well, I have several to choose from. [laughter] >> Um yeah. Hey, before we before we leave,

[58:17] >> I'm very proud to say that my cemetery book is coming out on uh on March the 24th. It's called Remains of the Day, a definitive guide to Washington DC's [clears throat] historic cemeteries. If you go to rarebirdlit.com, um it's there for pre-order, but for signed pre-orders, rarebirdlit.com. And uh I'm sitting in this hotel working on book number nine, The Whispers from the Grave, The Mafia Graves of New York

[58:48] City. >> So that'll be done soon, too. >> Awesome. Um well, I think that's a good place to end it. Uh I'll I'll put in I'll do my pitch for my most recent book, What's Left? Never mind the Democrats. Go to rall.com and check that out. Uh and I'll sign it for you uh if you buy it through rall.com. Um, anyway, please like, follow, and share the show. We'll be back tomorrow at 9:00 am Eastern time, and we're here every Monday through Friday. Uh, please stay tuned. We will be, uh, I I'll still be

[59:19] on the air with Manila Chan for the TMI show uh, coming up right at the top of the hour at 10 o'clock Eastern. And, uh, you'll just, if you're in the Rumble room, you'll just be magically whisked away there. And then I have three hours of straight talk this morning. It's Thursday, which means it's time for the DMZ America podcast with Scott Stantis. We'll be interviewing Salt Lake City uh Tribune cartoonist Pat Bagley, who actually fled the United States for Portugal because of Donald Trump becoming president of the United States. So, John, see you tomorrow.

[59:51] >> See you tomorrow.
